emPOWER: supporting Regional Engagement during the Energy Transition

Sabiene Heindl and Tom Everitt – Empowering Social License in the Energy Transition

What does it take to get the right energy projects done right—especially in regional Australia? In this episode, Wendy Agar sits down for a candid fireside chat with Sabiene Heindl, CEO of The Energy Charter (TEC), and Tom Everitt from TDC Services in Victoria. Together, they unpack what social license really means—and how to earn it one conversation, one person, and one community at a time.
Drawing on real-world experience, they explore:
Why social license is essential—not optional—for the energy transition
The “burning platform” for engagement and what’s playing out on the ground
The cultural change needed to bridge the gap between industry and community
Why education alone isn’t enough—and what it takes to drive broader transformation
Practical insights on training, trust-building, and turning good intentions into action
Lessons from land agents, national training programs, and grassroots collaboration
This is an honest, hopeful, and deeply practical discussion for anyone working in or impacted by the energy transition—whether you're in policy, development, engagement, or community leadership.
This podcast is an initiative of Engaged Outcomes - a training, facilitation and engagement organisation, dedicated to building capacity, empowering people and driving lasting change for regional communities across Australia.
 
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.
Produced by The Podcast Boss

Dr Amanda Cahill and Dr Gareth Edwards - Empowering Community-Led Change in a Just Energy Transition

Lighthouse series
What does it take for communities to lead the renewable energy transition—not just be consulted? In this episode, Wendy Agar talks with Dr Amanda Cahill and Dr Gareth Edwards about empowering local leadership, supporting self-determination, and making engagement meaningful.
 They share real-world stories and insights from regional Australia and around the world, based on their book Regional Energy Transitions in Australia: From Impossible to Possible. Together, they explore:
What a “just transition” really looks like in regional communities
How the energy transition is reshaping local economies and driving place-based change
Common barriers faced by local communities—and how to overcome them
Practical steps to build strong partnerships with regional Australia
Global lessons on what’s needed to truly empower communities during the energy transition
 Whether you work in renewable energy, policy, engagement, or simply care about stronger outcomes for regional Australia—this episode is packed with ideas and inspiration.
Get your copy here - Regional Energy Transitions in Australia: From Impossible to Possible with discount code 25AFLY1 for a 20% discount.
 
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.
 
Produced by The Podcast Boss

Jo Sheppard - Powering the Future: the intersection of Agriculture, Energy & Community

The energy transition is reshaping regional Australia—but how do we ensure that agriculture and community are at the table, and truly benefiting from it? In this episode Wendy Agar sits down with Jo Sheppard, CEO of the Queensland Farmers’ Federation (QFF), to tackle the big questions at the intersection of agriculture, energy, engagement, and regional leadership.
 
With a deep-rooted passion for agriculture and rural communities, Jo shares her insights on: Moving beyond transactional deals to create genuine, lasting benefits for farmers and communities. The biggest opportunities and challenges agriculture faces in the energy transition. Why better engagement between policymakers, energy developers, and farmers is critical—and how to make it happen. The misconceptions about modern farming that are shaping (and sometimes mis-shaping) policy and development. The next 5–10 years of ag and energy—what’s coming, and what industry partners need to consider.
 
Learn more about the work and resources of QFF here:Energy - Queensland Farmers' Federation
 
If you care about the future of regional Australia and how agriculture can coexist with the renewable energy shift, this episode is a must-listen.
 
This podcast is an initiative of Engaged Outcomes - a training, facilitation and engagement organisation, dedicated to building capacity, empowering people and driving lasting change for regional communities across Australia.
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.
Produced by The Podcast Boss

Engaging Young People in the Energy Shift: Stephanie Sabrinskas

Young people aren’t just the future—they’re a vital part of the now. So how do we ensure their voices are truly heard in the renewable energy transition?
In this episode, Wendy Agar chats with Stephanie Sabrinskas—a passionate organiser, impact producer, and the creative mind behind Power Pops, a virtual reality youth engagement program with the Gippsland Climate Change Network.
Based in the Latrobe Valley, Stephanie brings six years of experience documenting the energy transition in Gippsland and working directly with young people to bring their ideas, energy, and leadership to the table.
You’ll hear: Why inclusion, diversity, and intergenerational voices matter How the shift from coal to renewables is landing in her community What meaningful youth engagement really looks like What works—and what doesn’t—when engaging diverse voices in regional areas
If you care about empowering the next generation, building inclusive engagement, and creating an energy shift that reflects all voices—this episode is not to be missed.
Learn more about Stephanie’s work at: Gippsland Climate Change Network - https://www.gccn.org.au/news/power-pops | Gippsland New Energy Portal - https://gippslandnewenergy.com.au/ 
This podcast is an initiative of Engaged Outcomes - a training, facilitation and engagement organisation, dedicated to building capacity, empowering people and driving lasting change for regional communities across Australia.
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.
Produced By The Podcast Boss

Global Insights: International Lessons from the Energy Transition - Nils Hay

In this Lighthouse Series episode of the emPOWER podcast, Wendy Agar is joined by Nils Hay, Winston Churchill Fellow and regional development leader from Western Australia. Nils recently completed his international study tour, Regional Power Surge, exploring how large-scale renewable and low-carbon energy projects are impacting regional communities across the globe.
Together, Wendy and Nils explore the big question: How do we enable the energy transition to move at the pace required—while ensuring meaningful, lasting benefits for the regional communities who host the infrastructure and hold the resources?
In this episode, they discuss:
Global takeaways on community benefits, social license, policy, and coexistence
Stories of regional communities abroad that are thriving through the transition
Cautionary tales that highlight what not to do
Key lessons and best practice Australia can take on board—right now
How global insights can influence better outcomes in our own backyard
Nils brings a grounded, real-world perspective shaped by years working across regional development and local government in Queensland and Western Australia.  You can read his Churchill report here: Report Completed - Nils Hay
This podcast is an initiative of Engaged Outcomes - a training, facilitation and engagement organisation, dedicated to building capacity, empowering people and driving lasting change for regional communities across Australia.
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.
Tune in to hear how we can avoid repeating mistakes, borrow from global success stories, and build a stronger, fairer transition for regional Australia.
Produced by The Podcast Boss

Beyond Netball Skirts & BBQs: How Miles Took Control with a Community Investment Plan with Deputy Mayor Kylie Bourne

When big energy projects come to town, what lasting impact do they leave behind? Too often, regional communities receive a flood of short-term sponsorship dollars—but without a plan, the money disappears, leaving little more than a few BBQs and a set of netball skirts.
The community of Miles, QLD, refused to let that happen!
During the coal seam gas (CSG) boom, this small town 300km west of Brisbane found itself at the centre of rapid development. Rather than accepting a cycle of fragmented funding, a group of locals took control—leading a co-designed Community Investment Plan that ensured energy company investments and community benefit funds could easily be strategically aligned with the town’s long-term vision, creating real, lasting impact.
In this episode, Western Downs Regional Councils Deputy Mayor Kylie Bourne joins host Wendy Agar to unpack:
  Why Miles created a strategic blueprint to ensure developer investments deliver lasting benefits.
  The step-by-step approach they used to develop a Community Investment Plan to align funding with local priorities.
      The critical role of local leadership in driving self-determination.
      Lessons from over a decade of refining and evolving a living, adaptable plan.
What industry, developers, and governments must do to move beyond transactional funding.
This isn’t just the story of one town—it’s a blueprint for any community facing rapid change. Want more real-world lessons? Check out these other emPOWER episodes:
      Episode 2 with Chris Sounness (the Wimmera region, Vic)
      Episode 5 with Cathy McGowan (the Gippsland region, Vic)
      Episode 7 with Ali McLean & Kate Hook (Hay, NSW)
to hear how other communities are navigating the energy transition and check out The Energy Charter’s #BetterTogether Wimmera Southern Mallee Collaboration to see what’s happening on the ground.
This podcast is an initiative of Engaged Outcomes - a training, facilitation and engagement organisation, dedicated to building capacity, empowering people and driving lasting change for regional communities across Australia.
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.
Produced by The Podcast Boss

Dr Kieren Moffat- Why Are Communities Angry? The Social License Dilemma

It’s a question that keeps popping up in the energy shift across the country—and one that professionals across the industry struggle to answer. Why do some communities push back harder than others? Why does trust seem so hard to build… and so easy to lose?
Join Wendy Agar, your host, as she unpacks  the deep drivers of community anger, social license and trust building with Dr Kieren Moffat, a global expert who has spent decades turning research into real-world action. From tackling inter-group conflict in the Australian Defence Force to leading groundbreaking work at CSIRO and launching Voconiq, Kieren has seen firsthand what fuels community frustration—and, more importantly, what actually works to rebuild trust.
We’re tackling the tough questions, including:
      What does community actually look like in the energy shift?
      How does anger show up—and is it always obvious?
      If we know so much about social license, why is it difficult to achieve?
      What’s the difference between building trust vs. gaining acceptance?
What impact does internal company culture have on engagement outcomes—and what can individuals do to shift the narrative?
This isn’t just theory—this is about practical solutions. Whether you’re in renewables, infrastructure, or community engagement, this episode will help you navigate complexity, reduce friction, and engage communities in ways that actually work.
From a dream of becoming a pro golfer to global social license expert, Kieren’s journey is anything but typical…and neither is this conversation!
Tune in now and get ready to change the way you think about social license, building trust and gaining acceptance!
This podcast is an initiative of Engaged Outcomes - a training, facilitation and engagement organisation, dedicated to building capacity, empowering people and driving lasting change for regional communities across Australia.
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.
Produced by The Podcast Boss

First Nations Engagement - From Consultation to Empowered Collaboration with Mayor Bruce Simpson

How do we build long-term, mutually beneficial relationships with communities that have been over-researched, over-consulted, and over-promised?
Join Wendy Agar in this inspiring episode of the Voices from the Regions series as she explores this question with Mayor Bruce Simpson from the Cherbourg Aboriginal Shire Council. A standout speaker from the 2024 Power Hour virtual forum series, Mayor Simpson shares his perspective on what the energy transition means for his community and how to engage with respect, authenticity, and purpose.
In this episode, he discusses:
Blending traditional cultural values with modern approaches and technical knowledge for transformative energy solutions
Building genuine partnerships beyond consultation for lasting, impactful relationships
Educating communities about renewable energy and its significance for the future
Co-designing projects and creating shared agreements for sustainable, community-driven outcomes
Mayor Simpson challenges the status quo, calling for a new narrative where First Nations communities aren’t just participants, but leaders in the energy shift. Packed with real-world stories and practical advice, this episode is essential listening for anyone working in community engagement, renewable energy, or regional development.
Learn more about Cherbourg’s history here: Ration Shed MuseumCheck out the ‘Understanding First Nations Engagement’ Power Hour here: Power Hour virtual forum
This podcast is an initiative of Engaged Outcomes - a training, facilitation and engagement organisation, dedicated to building capacity, empowering people and driving lasting change for regional communities across Australia.
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.
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Brent Finlay & Maria Baker - Developing the Foundations for Coexistence: Lessons from McIntyre Windfarm

How do you create lasting relationships between agriculture and the renewable energy industry? Join Wendy Agar as she explores this question with Brent Finlay, a Queensland sheep and wind farmer, former National Farmers’ Federation President, and a host landholder for the McIntyre Windfarm, and Maria Baker, the project’s community engagement lead.
Together, Brent and Maria share their unique insights and learnings from developing the McIntyre Windfarm, one of Australia’s largest renewable energy projects. From fostering early trust to building enduring partnerships, they reveal what it takes to make renewable energy coexist successfully with local communities.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
How early engagement sets the foundation for project success
The secrets to building trust and relationships that last decades
Proven strategies for strengthening partnerships
Real-world lessons from the McIntyre Windfarm journey
 
Whether you’re a renewable energy professional, a landholder, or someone passionate about community engagement, this episode is packed with actionable advice and inspiring stories.
This podcast is an initiative of Engaged Outcomes - a training, facilitation and engagement organisation, dedicated to building capacity, empowering people and driving lasting change for regional communities across Australia.
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.
Produced by The Podcast Boss

Janine Young & Rod Stowe - Becoming a Welcome Guest: Regional Engagement during the Energy Transition (Lighthouse Series)

Join Wendy Agar as she sits down with Rod Stowe, former Fair Trading Commissioner (NSW), and Janine Young, Ombudsman at Energy & Water Ombudsman NSW.
Rod draws from his experience conducting community engagement reviews for Transgrid’s Hume Link project, while Janine offers her unique perspective on resolving disputes and supporting individuals when things go wrong. Together, they explore what it truly takes to engage effectively during the rollout of essential energy infrastructure.
Tune in to hear their insights on:
Becoming a "welcome guest" in communities
Building and maintaining trust throughout a project
Approaching engagement with a holistic mindset
Navigating the complexities of working in diverse regional settings
Packed with actionable tips and real-world stories, this episode is a must-listen for anyone involved in land access, community engagement, or renewable energy projects. Rod and Janine share practical advice on fostering lasting relationships that ensure project success long after completion.
Don’t miss this essential conversation—perfect for professionals driving Australia's energy transition!
This podcast is an initiative of Engaged Outcomes - a training, facilitation and engagement organisation, dedicated to building capacity, empowering people and driving lasting change for regional communities across Australia.
EmPOWER is proudly supported by The Energy Charter, a CEO collaboration across the energy sector nationally, delivering better outcomes for customers and communities in the energy transition.